!!!! CHRISTOPHER LEE NOT IN ROTK !!! :-( :-(

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We have decided to save the Saruman sequence for the DVD. It's a great little scene. 7 mins long. Chris is wonderful, as usual. Brad is in about 6 shots. It was a film maker decision - nothing to do with the studio.

The problem is that the sequence was originally shot for The Two Towers, as it is in the book. Since The Two Towers couldn't sustain a 7 min "wrap" after Helm's Deep, we thought it would be a good idea to save it for the beginning of the Return of the King. The trouble is, when we viewed various ROTK cuts over the last few weeks, it feels like the first scenes are wrapping last year's movie, instead of starting the new one. We felt it got ROTK off to an uncertain beginning, since Saruman plays no role in the events of ROTK (we don't have the Scouring later, as the book does), yet we dwell in Isengard for quite a long time before our new story kicks off.

We reluctantly made the decision to save this sequence for the DVD. The choice was made on the basis that most people will assume that Saruman was vanquished by the Helm's Deep events, and Ent attack. We can now crack straight into setting up the narrative tension of ROTK, which features Sauron as the villian.

It was a very similar situation to last year when we decided to take a nice Boromir/Denethor flashback out of The Two Towers, and put it in the DVD. It was causing us pacing problems in the theatrical version, but with the Extended Cut just coming out now, fans can see this great little scene. Thank God for DVD, since it does mean that a version of the movie, which has different pacing requirements, can be released later. The Saruman sequence will definately be a highlight of the Extended ROTK DVD.

We have a lot of great DVD material this time around. As we crafted the movie, we reduced it from an over 4 hour running time, down to 3.12 (without credits - about 8 mins long). This was done by us. There were no studio cutting notes. We now have a movie with a pace that fells ok for it's theatrical release. One more week to go. We are nearly there. Will we still be standing? It's going to be a close run thing.

Cheers,

Peter J

OMG, I've just read this on Aint It Cool News and am gutted, as is my wife Sad :-(



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Yeah, this is bad news for Christopher Lee fans. I think this story could be classed as a "spoiler"....



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This news is kinda disappointing, but I can understand the logic behind it. I guess just as long as Mr. Lee is seen in the DVD it is okay by me. I became a LOTR fan way before the movies, so I will still be psyched to see ROTK. I just can't wait until it comes out!!!!

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Lord_Summerisle, are you Peter Jackson? Just curious. If you are that's cool. Laughing out loud

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OMG, I've just read this on Aint It Cool News and am gutted, as is my wife Sad :-([/quo

Oops, I guess not. You just posted this article from another site? hehehe. I just woke up, so I'm kinda out of it still. Oh well, it would have been cool if you were him. Sorry! :roll:

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Awww Sad well i guess its reasonable. and obviously itll be in the extra features on the dvd. But anyway... this is also the first time i heard that they wouldnt put the scouring of the Shire in, since I try never to check up on any LotR news/pics.



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George Lucas underused Christopher Lee and so has peter jackson.



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Yeah I think you're right. At first I was a little okay with it, but the more I think about it I'm not okay with it at all! It seems unfair! :furious: :angryfire :boid: :disgust:

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unfair! :furious: :angryfire :boid: :disgust:

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Excuse the middle finger gesture! I didn't realize that's what it was, oops.



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Crying

Why??????????? he is the coolest character in the movie it makes no sense at all. And I don't want to wait for the extended ver. of ROKT I want to experience him on the big screen.



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It's so awful! How could they cut him completely? He had so much to do with the making of the movie, it's almost a direct insult not to have him in. Being such a gentleman though, I'm sure Mr. Lee will have nothing but praise for the film from which he has been so disgracefully ousted.



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This move has totally shocked me.

I think this is one BIG mistake that peter Jackson and his team have made regarding these films.

I am avid Tolkien fan, and this scene was the one I was most looking forward to watching. Saruman, is one of my favourite characters from the book, and Mr lee's portrayal of Saruman, in my eyes in nigh on perfect.

Having the audience think that the Ents have taken care of Saruman is an insult, as any Tolkien fan in their right mind would know that this is not what the Ents did or would do! They kept him prisoner in his Tower, and kept him 'Safe' from doing anymore harm.

As for the comments that this scene feels like it's wrapping up events from the Two Towers, and they should be moving into Return of the King, well again, I think it's rubbish, Lord of the Rings should be viewed as one 9 hour film, just like the book should be viewed as one book, and not three.

Unforgivable if you ask me!!

Hopefully Peter will come to his senses, and with the last week for editing, will re-submit the scene back into the film.

Sorry for the rant!

Regards

Pallando



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This is one of the downsides in the rise of the DVD format. There seems to be this attitude now during the filmmaking process of "well, we can stick this on the DVD for the fans." What happened to artistic integrity? Surely when you edit a film and present it to the world that should be it? It's nice to see deleted scenes on DVD, but I'm not so sure about restructuring the film itself (as was done with the original 'Star Wars').... anyway I could go on and on, but the point is what about Saruman being cut from ROTK?

In my opinion I think someone somewhere has made a bit of a gaffe - Saruman should really have died at the end of The Two Towers, but someone took the decision to to save his death for the ROTK... only to find at this late stage that it doesn't cut together (perhaps that's why the original book was divided in the way it was? Wink ). From a filmmaking point of view I think its essential that his death be in this new film as those cinemagoers who don't know the background to events like we do will be asking - "hey, what happened to the villain from the last two movies? Where's he disappeared to?"

Rant over.



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Mr. Lee was saying on the Radio 4 interview that it is a key scene in the film. I was really looking forward to ROTK, now Im not so sure.



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I totally approve to all of your statements!!! This is really a bad choice from Peter Jackson! Saruman shoul be in the third movie itself, in the CINEMA, no in the SE DVD edetion, which most of the people will never see!

Outrageous!!!

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I have dicussed this with my friends over msn messenger. All of my friends are great movie goers infact the only thing we do discuss the most is movies. They all seem very annoyed about the news. Me most of all as I am a fan of Mr Lee's work. We all find this very wrong. You can't just leave out a key character. Saruman was in the first two films now everybody who has watched them and will go and see the Return of the King will wonder where the hell he has got to. I am kinda the same as Gop Gal at the mo. The more I think about it the more angry I become. Infact I dont even know what to write because I can't stop thinking about what a stoopid (and I mean stoopid) mistake they are making. We will never know what Mr Lee thinks because of this agree ment thing. Ahh well I hope Peter Jackson knows what he is doing! (does he.....does he really? Shock Sad ?)



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:twisted: Evil Crying I am really disappointed with this decision by Peter Jackson - and it will be quite annoying to have to wait for the DVD version to see the correct progress of the film. As a fan of LOTR and of Mr Lee, this is really awful news.

Alison G

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It's still such unexpected news. Couldn't they cut out seven minutes of gratuitous battle scenes instead? To have built up a character over two films, and then want an audience to "understand" in the third film that he was finished off in the second part, is well, just nothing more than convenience. Saruman is an important character, not just a character, one who embodies and is representative of evil. To remove him like that is like having a Dracula trilogy and in the third part have someone say to someone else, "Oh Dracula? He had to leave yesterday so he won't be here."



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I'm very upset about it!! Crying

Couldn't they have cut some of McKellen's scenes instead? Oups

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what about Legolas and Arwen's scenes? :twisted: :twisted:



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OK, I've slept since the last email I sent on this subject, have even tried to understand exactly where the "studio" is coming from, but nope, just can't seem to get on their wavelength.

Anyway - I am sure 7 minutes could be found from other parts of the movie, that would not be so vital to the overall story and in its place the 7 minutes of Saruman could be take it's rightful place.

But, it seems that Peter Jackson et al know better than Tolkien...... we shall see in the final reviews.

Still very ticked off about all of this bad news on ROTK, just as the anticipation of the cinema release was getting interesting.

Alison G

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This is just dumb.
Even people that have only seen the films are expecting some sort of showdown between Gandalf and Saruman.
It's expected.
In fact i had to explain to one of my firends that Saruman was actually not the main villian after we saw Fellowship when it came out.
I can see how someone just coming to the story might confuse Saruman and Sauron ( in name) but it shows that some (and many i suspect) movie goers see Saruman as the main evildoer on screen.
(after all Sauron is pretty much just an eye..at this point)
Almost every piece of merchandising i see from TTT has Mr. Lee's face on it.
He's the one of the main characters and number 2 bad guy of the whole story!
He's the main villian we actually see.
How do you...
It's just dumb.

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I had to register and say my piece, this has really upset a lot of people, me included.

I grew up watching Mr Lee's films, I also grew up up reading LotR. When I heard that Mr Lee was going to be Saruman I couldn't have thought of anyone more perfectly suited to the role, and boy was I right!

I can't come to the conclusion that this in any way helps the film dramatically, or cinematically, Saruman's demise is an integral part of the story, and needs to be shown not told. I understand that The Scouring was never going to be viable, and can think of a couple of ways of retaining the death of Saruman without stuffing it into the first ten minutes of RotK. What point building up this character, giving him the wonderful 'Fires of Industry' speech setting up the conflict of technology vs pastoralism, only to hide him away at the end.

I'm bitterly disppointed with this.

What I'm annoyed about is the way it has been handled. Mr Lee deserves better than this.

Arrg... so annoyed !
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The voice of Saruman is my favourite chapter in the books. I thought it was the very reason why Christopher Lee should play Saruman. And now they cut it off. I can't believe it. Oscar Wilde said "Good resolutions are always made too late." I fear it is going to be true. It's so unfair that I can't believe it. Plus, Mr. Lee's name is on the poster and everything. I wish I woke up and it was just a dream. Crying
They don't realize. Oh well. And I thought Peter Jackson had good ideas. If Lucas does the same I don't know what I'm going to do. They have the best actor in the world and don't even use him.
Anyway. I suppose there is nothing we can do.



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There IS something we can do, guys:

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/sig...ed.cgi?smanrotk

Make your voice heard!! There are already over 2400 signatures!

Link to this petition, sign it, and plaster this URL over every forum you can. Together, perhaps we can make a difference!!



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Proud signature number 210! Everyone should sign the petition at least once, if not more Wink. There are a lot of fans being upset by this, and Peter Jackson is making a huge mistake. I don't understand why he would cut it, it's seven minutes, and in a 3 1/2 hour movie, seven minutes isn't going to make that much of a difference.

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I just signed. Thanks for letting us know, Dave! Laughing out loud



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2440 as of now.. :twisted:

Not that I think anyone'll listen, but in these curious times, anything can happen. Remember the Arwen at Helm's Deep idea?

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Whatever comes I never know, but life will ultimately show"

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Not a problem!

The key here is spreading the word around. Get this URL pasted up everywhere you can!!

Time is very, very short, so LET'S ACT!!! Evil



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I just signed the petition myself, and left a few comments. I am so outraged by Peter Jackson's decision that I could spit nails! :flack: I hope enough people sign this thing, so we can get Saruman back in. I don't think I am even going to go see ROTK if Mr. Lee isn't going to be in it.

A very angry....
GOP Gal :crying:



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I only want to say that I think the decision to cut Saruman from the Return of the King is beyond understanding. I believe it totally negates Peter Jackson's claims that he is attempting to be true to Tolkien. Originally I was of the opinion that the Tolkien estate was wrong not to endorse Peter Jackson's movies of the Lord of the Rings, but I now see that they were farsighted and protecting Tolkien's books from bastardisation. Finally I just want to add that I thought Christopher Lee's comments showed a great deal of dignity, good luck to him!

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